Comments on: Palehorse, Death Before Dishonor, and No Turning Back… http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 14:24:59 -0800 hourly 1 By: Eddie http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2860 Eddie Tue, 16 Jan 2007 05:10:36 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2860 The Palehorse disc is mint. I saw them a few years ago and they were a damned sledgehammer live. I can't wait to see where they go next. The Palehorse disc is mint. I saw them a few years ago and they were a damned sledgehammer live. I can't wait to see where they go next.

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2845 Anonymous Mon, 15 Jan 2007 17:22:40 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2845 yeah i agree. Like some scientist trying to say somebody that his car is shitty because of... but you still like to drive that car no matter what. Music is art. Differenet tastes, different styles, different opinios. If I would say that Mona Lisa is shit because its too dark I have my right so say that. So why somebody who is reviewing music must take care about sound? What about layouts, can that be judged by somebody who dont "know" the art. oh come on! yeah i agree. Like some scientist trying to say somebody that his car is shitty because of… but you still like to drive that car no matter what.
Music is art. Differenet tastes, different styles, different opinios. If I would say that Mona Lisa is shit because its too dark I have my right so say that.
So why somebody who is reviewing music must take care about sound? What about layouts, can that be judged by somebody who dont "know" the art.

oh come on!

]]> By: Anonymous http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2813 Anonymous Sun, 14 Jan 2007 10:58:21 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2813 hear, hear. producer dude, there are polite ways of speaking your mind. when you open fire from the get go like that and descent to insults, you just come off sounding childish and frustrated, and your point gets lost. peace out. hear, hear. producer dude, there are polite ways of speaking your mind. when you open fire from the get go like that and descent to insults, you just come off sounding childish and frustrated, and your point gets lost.

peace out.

]]> By: L.Ron http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2810 L.Ron Sun, 14 Jan 2007 08:45:40 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2810 andrew, it just sounds like this guy is bored. i wouldnt even try anymore come backs with someone so stubborn. it turns into like a cat fight. anyways, i really like this band. i never heard of 'em until now. i hear the ringworm influnce though. but , this is why i come here, to get schooled on bands i have no idea about. keep on doing, bro..... andrew, it just sounds like this guy is bored. i wouldnt even try anymore come backs with someone so stubborn. it turns into like a cat fight. anyways, i really like this band. i never heard of 'em until now. i hear the ringworm influnce though. but , this is why i come here, to get schooled on bands i have no idea about. keep on doing, bro…..

]]> By: AVERSIONLINE http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2806 AVERSIONLINE Sat, 13 Jan 2007 17:50:15 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2806 I have never in my life owned a stereo that has a "loudness button". I am not and have never claimed to be an audio engineer, but I do understand the difference between mixing and mastering, I assure you. On the Palehorse disc, all I said was, <i>"...I still sort of feel like the guitars need more 'oomph' so to speak (though cranking up the bass might do the trick), but overall it sounds pretty damn good as the ears adjust - and the vocals are so fuckin’ sick that when combined with the churning fury of the riffs this shit really hits the spot."</i> That is not at all a negative comment, and is only my opinion. Just like the Bane disc I am not the only one who feels that way, though of course some disagree. That Bane disc suffered more from mediocre songwriting than anything, as opposed to "Give Blood" which was an outstanding record. Are you an engineer? If so, that's awesome. But I don't understand where any of this is coming from. There's no way in hell anyone that's not an engineer should be expected to know specifically whether or not recording/mastering techniques are responsible for whatever issues they might be hearing with any given album, and I wouldn't be surprised if engineers themselves were unable to determine such to 100% accuracy just by listening to a finished CD. There have been many times in my life where I've heard great songs held back by truly shitty "recordings", and I've also heard great songs overcome mediocre "recordings", but at the end of the day it's all how my ears hear it, and opinions vary. So what? I have never in my life owned a stereo that has a "loudness button".

I am not and have never claimed to be an audio engineer, but I do understand the difference between mixing and mastering, I assure you.

On the Palehorse disc, all I said was, "…I still sort of feel like the guitars need more 'oomph' so to speak (though cranking up the bass might do the trick), but overall it sounds pretty damn good as the ears adjust – and the vocals are so fuckin’ sick that when combined with the churning fury of the riffs this shit really hits the spot." That is not at all a negative comment, and is only my opinion. Just like the Bane disc I am not the only one who feels that way, though of course some disagree. That Bane disc suffered more from mediocre songwriting than anything, as opposed to "Give Blood" which was an outstanding record.

Are you an engineer? If so, that's awesome. But I don't understand where any of this is coming from. There's no way in hell anyone that's not an engineer should be expected to know specifically whether or not recording/mastering techniques are responsible for whatever issues they might be hearing with any given album, and I wouldn't be surprised if engineers themselves were unable to determine such to 100% accuracy just by listening to a finished CD.

There have been many times in my life where I've heard great songs held back by truly shitty "recordings", and I've also heard great songs overcome mediocre "recordings", but at the end of the day it's all how my ears hear it, and opinions vary. So what?

]]> By: another producer http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2805 another producer Sat, 13 Jan 2007 16:06:21 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2805 Maybe what you mean is a REAL bad recording takes away the power a band has. And in the age of smaller budgets there sure is a lot of that floating around. However I've read some stellar reviews on this site on some pretty weak recordings claiming there "raw ' or whatever when they sound like just basic demos. Thats the band. Palehorses recording I thought sounded great. My only small complaint is maybe a little more treble on the top, but after adding it on my stereo ( and by just the smallest amount ) it sounded pretty close to major label. Thats Mastering. To say the recording sounds weird based on that shows lack of knowledge. Maybe what you mean is a REAL bad recording takes away the power a band has. And in the age of smaller budgets there sure is a lot of that floating around. However I've read some stellar reviews on this site on some pretty weak recordings claiming there "raw ' or whatever when they sound like just basic demos. Thats the band. Palehorses recording I thought sounded great. My only small complaint is maybe a little more treble on the top, but after adding it on my stereo ( and by just the smallest amount ) it sounded pretty close to major label. Thats Mastering. To say the recording sounds weird based on that shows lack of knowledge.

]]> By: chris http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2803 chris Sat, 13 Jan 2007 14:59:51 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2803 producer, you're pretty off point in the first part. bad recording takes away whatever power a band might otherwise possess, regardless of how tight they are. it's not a live show, where "power" also comes from the stage performance, etc. when you're listening to a CD, sound plays a much more important role. the band might be tight as hell, but if they sound like shit, then that shit stains all the rest and the end result is - shit. but i guess it doesn't really matter, since most people don't care about the recording and can't tell the difference anyway. producer, you're pretty off point in the first part. bad recording takes away whatever power a band might otherwise possess, regardless of how tight they are. it's not a live show, where "power" also comes from the stage performance, etc. when you're listening to a CD, sound plays a much more important role. the band might be tight as hell, but if they sound like shit, then that shit stains all the rest and the end result is – shit. but i guess it doesn't really matter, since most people don't care about the recording and can't tell the difference anyway.

]]> By: another producer http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2780 another producer Sat, 13 Jan 2007 03:14:38 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2780 Talking about the production is NOT commenting on the music. If the band is great there demo will absolutely sound better than a shitty band with a big recording budget. I've seen a lot of bad recordings getting great reviews just because the band is so tight that that in itself gives it the power. And i was insinuating that you didn't know the difference between mixing and mastering. Refering to your review of Bane's The Note, believe it or not the recording is excellent. The problem is its just mastered real quiet. The advantage to that is greater dynamic range. The problem is that on some stereos that have a "loudness button" simply turning up the volume makes the mix seem flatter when its not. But on a good stereo turning up the volume and having that dynamic range is a beautiful thing. Yet you ( along with a bunch of other unknowing reviewers) panned the recording. Talking about the production is NOT commenting on the music. If the band is great there demo will absolutely sound better than a shitty band with a big recording budget. I've seen a lot of bad recordings getting great reviews just because the band is so tight that that in itself gives it the power. And i was insinuating that you didn't know the difference between mixing and mastering. Refering to your review of Bane's The Note, believe it or not the recording is excellent. The problem is its just mastered real quiet. The advantage to that is greater dynamic range. The problem is that on some stereos that have a "loudness button" simply turning up the volume makes the mix seem flatter when its not. But on a good stereo turning up the volume and having that dynamic range is a beautiful thing. Yet you ( along with a bunch of other unknowing reviewers) panned the recording.

]]> By: AVERSIONLINE http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2778 AVERSIONLINE Sat, 13 Jan 2007 01:50:55 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2778 Uhhh... talking about the production IS "commenting on the music", and different people have different opinions/hear things differently, so I don't see what the big deal is. And you can't possibly be insinuating that there's no difference between mixing and mastering, could you? Uhhh… talking about the production IS "commenting on the music", and different people have different opinions/hear things differently, so I don't see what the big deal is. And you can't possibly be insinuating that there's no difference between mixing and mastering, could you?

]]> By: another producer http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2775 another producer Fri, 12 Jan 2007 23:18:46 +0000 http://www.aversionline.com/blahg/2007/01/12/palehorse-death-before-dishonor-and-no-turning-back/#comment-2775 Your production comments thru out your site are very weird. They not only demonstrate your lack of knowledge,(whats the differance between a good mix and good mastering ?) but point to perhaps a little tone deafness as well. Try just commenting on the music and you wont look so foolish. Your production comments thru out your site are very weird. They not only demonstrate your lack of knowledge,(whats the differance between a good mix and good mastering ?) but point to perhaps a little tone deafness as well. Try just commenting on the music and you wont look so foolish.

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